You can skip to the 52:20 mark to hear this thought-provoking interview

In this interview on the Chauncey DeVega show, author Leonce Gaiter explains how an allegiance to Whiteness and the many big and little lies of white supremacy and racism will bring the ultimate destruction of the United States. Gaiter also warns that American fascism and the Jim Crow Republican and Trump’s attempt to overthrow America’s multiracial democracy on Jan. 6 (and beyond) highlights a profound cultural and political sickness across the color line here in America.

He also reflects on how White America is fundamentally in denial and possessed by a willful naivete and gross childish thinking about its capacity for and attraction to violence, death, and destruction.